Theoderic D'AUTUN [7871] ¹⁸⁷³

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Teiric d'Autun French: Théodoric / Thierry d'Autun, Comte d'Autun, Duc des Francs et de Bourgogne Also Known As: "Teiric", "Theodoric", "Theoderich", "Thierry", "Theuderic", "Makir Theodoric Aymeri", "Makir Theodoric Aymeri De ToulouseTheodoric I of Toulouse", "Theodoric I De Toulouse", "Theodore", "Count of Autun", "Teiric d'Autun", "comte d'Autun"
Birthdate: estimated between 692 and 748 Death: between 791 and December 15, 804 Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Occitanie, France (Tué par les Saxons) Place of Burial: Saint-Guilhem-le-Désert, Hérault, Languedoc-Roussillon, France Immediate Family:

Husband of Aldana

Father of
1. St. William of Gellone, count of Toulouse;
2. Teudoin, Comte d'Autun;
3. Adalehelm d'Autun;
4. Unk;
5. Abba "Albana"
6. Thierry II, count of Autun and
7. Berta

Occupation:
Count of Autun & Toulouse, Comte de Mâcon & de Chalon, Duke of Toulouse, Chamberlain of King Charles the Bald, Después de convertirse se le llamó Thierry d'Autun, King of the Jews at Narbonne and Duke de Septimania, Comte

Arthur Zuckerman's theory which postulates the identity of Makhir and Guillaume or Théodoric has been widely discredited by medieval historians, see in particular Gérard Nahon

THEODERIC I] son of --- (-791/15 Dec 804). Comte d'Autun. Einhard indicates that Theoderich was related to Charles I King of the Franks when he records that in 782 the king sent his three missi "Adalgiso camerario et Geilone comite stabuli et Worado comite palati" to meet "in…Saxonis…Theodericus comes, propinquus regis", the relationship probably being through the wife of Theoderic I. "Carolus…rex Francorum et Langobardorum" gave a judgment by charter dated to Dec 775 which names "fidelibus…Widrigo, Odrigo, Theodrico, Bernehardo, Albuino, Aginhardo, Berngario comitibus et Anshelmo comite palacii nostri". Einhard records that Charles I King of the Franks sent "Theodorico comite et Meginfredo camerario suo" to "aquilonalem Danubii ripam" in 791. "Willelmus…comes" names "genitore meo Theuderico et genitrice mea Aldana" in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone.

m
ALDANA, daughter of ---. "Willelmus…comes" names "genitore meo Theuderico et genitrice mea Aldana" in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone. Settipani quotes an Aquitaine necrology which lists "Willelmus…pater eius Theodericus, mater Aldana soror Hiltrudis et Landradæ". He suggests that "Hiltrudis" was the wife of Odilo Duke of Bavaria, and therefore that the wife of Theoderic was Aldana, daughter of Charles "Martel" maiordomus of Austrasia and Neustria [Carolingian]. The theory is attractive but not conclusive, as its validity depends on there being no other contemporary Hiltrudis, which is not provable. Hlawitschka highlights the case against the affiliation. However, the evidence of the 25 May 765 charter, quoted in the document
MEROVINGIAN NOBILITY under Aldana's supposed sister Landrada, suggests that Settipani's hypothesis may be correct. In addition, Einhard indicates that Theoderic I was related to Charles I King of the Franks when he records that in 782 King Charles sent his three missi "Adalgiso camerario et Geilone comite stabuli et Worado comite palati" to meet "in…Saxonis…Theodericus comes, propinquus regis". One possible relationship being between the king and Theoderic I would have been through his wife, if she had been the king's paternal aunt.

Theoderic I & his wife had [seven] children:

1. TEUDOIN (-826 or after). "Willelmus…comes" names "fratribus meis Theudoino et Adalelmo" (version two: "fratre meo Teodoino et Teoderico et Adalelmo") in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone. Comte d'Autun 804/26.
m ---. The name of the wife of Teudoin is not known.

a) THEODERIC III ([after 826). 816/21. Theoderic is named as son of Teudoin in Europäische Stammtafeln but the primary source on which this is based has not been identified. The Manual of Dhuoda names "domnus Teodericus…condam" as godfather of Doda's son Bernard (born in 826), although it does not specify a family relationship between the two. Of the three possible individuals in the family named Theoderic, Theoderic II is a less likely possibility because of his presumed age. Theoderic IV is named in another section of the Manual, without any reference to his being Bernard's godfather. Theoderic III therefore appears the most likely possibility.

2. THEODERIC II (-after 14 Dec 804, maybe after 811). "Willelmus…comes" names "fratribus meis Theudoino et Adalelmo" (version two: "fratre meo Teodoino et Teoderico et Adalelmo") in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone, Theoderic being named in only one of the versions365. [Einhard's Annales record "Theotheri comes" as one of the signatories of peace with the Vikings in 811. It is not certain that the signatory was Theoderic II.

3. ADALELM . "Willelmus…comes" names "fratribus meis Theudoino et Adalelmo" (version two: "fratre meo Teodoino et Teoderico et Adalelmo") in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone365.

4. UNNAMED --- . m ---.] One possible child:
a) BERTRAND . "Willelmus…comes" names "nepote meo Bertranno" in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone365. There is no more precise indication of the relationship between Guillaume and Bertrand although, if nepos is in this context correctly translated as nephew, Bertrand must have been the son of a brother or sister of Guillaume who is not otherwise named in the charter, presumably deceased at the time.

5. GUILLAUME ([750/55]-Gellone [28 May [812/13]/21 May 815]). Comte de Toulouse, Marquis de Septimanie. "Willelmus…comes" names "genitore meo Theuderico et genitrice mea Aldana" and "fratribus meis Theudoino et Adalelmo" (version two: "fratre meo Teodoino et Teoderico et Adalelmo") "sororibus meis Albana et Bertana" "filiabus meis et filiis Barnardo, Witchario, Gotcelmo, Helimbruch" (version two: "filios meos et filias Witcario, Hildehelmo et Helinbruch") "uxoribus meis Cunegunde et Guitburge" (version two: "Witburg et Cunegunde") "nepote meo Bertranno" in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone.

6. ABBA [Albana] (-after 804). "Willelmus…comes" names "sororibus meis Albana et Bertana" in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone[424]. The Vita S. Willelmi records that "beatus Willelmus" had "duæ sorores virgines…Albana…Bertana". Nun in 804.
m NIBELUNG II, son of NIBELUNG I Count in Burgundy & his wife --- (-after 805). Settipani highlights the onomastic connections between the family of St Guillaume and the family of Nibelung, suggested by the names Bernard and Theoderic borne by the possible descendants of Nibelung II .

7. BERTA [Bertana]. "Willelmus…comes" names "sororibus meis Albana et Bertana" in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone.
https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm#TheodericIAutundiedbefore804

Arthur Zuckerman's theory which postulates the identity of Makhir and Guillaume or Théodoric has been widely discredited by medieval historians, see in particular Gérard Nahon ( https://www.persee.fr/doc/ahess_0395-2649_1975_num_30_2_293610_t1_0363_0.. . ) and more recently Nathaniel Taylor ( http://nltaylor.net/pdfs/a_Makhir.pdf ), pointed out by http://www.passion-histoire.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=36317

Theoderic married Aldana DE FRANCE [7872] [MRIN: 5778] in 764 in , , , France.¹⁸⁷² (Aldana DE FRANCE [7872] was born about 724 ¹⁸⁷³, christened in , , Aquitaine, France,¹⁸⁷³ died in 804 in Quierzy, Aisne, Picardie, France ¹⁸⁷³ and was buried in St Arnoul Royal Abbey, Metz, Frankenreich ¹⁸⁷³.)